lunedì 25 giugno 2012

UNO STUDENTE SU CINQUE CONOSCE IN ANTICIPO LA TERZA PROVA

Lo sostiene Skuola.net. L'ennesima notizia di reato in ambito scolastico su cui temiamo che né la magistratura né il Ministero, sempre pronto a farlo per le bocciature, indagheranno. La "Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno" dà la notizia col titolo più adeguato. Leggi.

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sperpero di denaro pubblico a go go. Guardiamo se in tempi di crisi almeno questo aspetto verrà preso in considerazione dal presidente del consiglio a cui consiglio di cambiare ministro della Pubblica istruzione.

Michela Tartaglia ha detto...

Anche questa è cosa nota, almeno a me che ho sempre fatto parte delle commissioni esaminatrici liceali. Ovviamente non tutte le domande delle 5 discipline, sono note; si tratta delle soffiate di un paio di colleghi eccessivamente preoccupati che i loro alunni diano forfait. Chiaro, no?
E questa triste deroga all'onestà è in voga da quando si è inaugurata questa forma sgarrupata di maturità: due materie di scelta ministeriale, cui provvedere con gli aiuti tecnologici, una della commissione, cui provvedono alcuni commissari.
Quando arriverà il quizzone dell'Invalsi, state tranquilli, ragazzi, si cimenteranno a gara i commissari e magari, anche loro, parecchie domande non le imbroccheranno.
C'è una semplificazione logicae molto risparmiosa: togliere valore legale al diploma di maturità, il quinquennio si concluda con normale scrutinio e poi toccherà alle università e alle aziende testare il sapere o i "saperi"-come dicono su al ministero, dei maturati.

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il gioco delle parti c'è in molte commissioni

Papik.f ha detto...

Rendere noti i quesiti in anticipo è disonesto e illegale e su questo non ci piove. Vorrei però capire come potrebbero gli alunni non essere al corrente delle materie oggetto della prova. Infatti:
1. sanno per quali materie sono stati nominati i commissari;
2. sanno su quali materie si svolgono le prime due prove;
3. sanno su quali materie hanno svolto le simulazioni della prova durante l'anno (simulazioni delle quali la commissione è obbligata a tener conto nella predisposizione della prova in questione).
E, anche se non sono tanto bravi in matematica, fino a fare 2+2 dovrebbero arrivarci tutti.
Se c'è qualcosa che mi sfugge, prego i colleghi di indicarmi che cos'è.
Diversamente, nel fatto che gli alunni conoscano le materie dei quesiti (e non i quesiti o il loro argomento, lo ripeto e sottolineo) non trovo niente di strano o di scandaloso.

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Personalmente condivido il commento di Papik.f e anche quello di Michela Tartaglia: l'Invalsi, checché se ne dica, propone prove in cui avere un buon metodo conta e la semplificazione risparmiosa sarebbe un bel passo avanti.

Scusate se mi approfitto dell'ospitalità, ma ho scritto un post su come cambiare gli esami di maturità (ancora molto generico...).

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Teresa ha detto...

Per la prof.ssa Tartaglia: ammiro il lavoro che sta facendo, ma togliere il valore legale non sarebbe la soluzione, anzi. Si copierebbe anche di più. E poi, se il valore legale non ci fosse, gli studenti vorrebbero almeno figurare con un bel voto. E poi, parliamoci chiaro: quanto conta il valore legale di un diploma di liceo? A malapena conta per gli ITIS, i cui studenti devono comunque fare un ulteriore esame per accedere al collegio dei periti. E per i liceali? L'università basa il numero chiuso sui quiz, e i concorsi nella PA sono quasi inesistenti (e quando ci sono si sa già chi deve prenderli, ma senza il valore legale la raccomandazione avrebbe ancora più valore). In ogni caso le aziende private non danno alcun valore legale al titolo, sono libere di scegliere gente con il dottorato così come con la terza media per qualsiasi posizione. Il problema delle copiature rimane. E rimane il problema dei prof che fanno copiare, come scritto nel commento all'ultimo post.

Teresa ha detto...

P.S.: le considerazioni fatte valgono anche in assenza di prove di esame, dato che ho visto colleghi suggerire le soluzioni ai propri alunni durante i compiti in classe fino a riportare per intero, alla lavagna, lo svolgimento degli esercizi. Concludere il quinquennio con semplici scrutini farebbe certamente risparmiare ma non risolverebbe il problema della moralità, in primis della moralità del corpo insegnante, che continuerebbe a fare ciò che vuole nelle proprie aule. Anche suggerir durante i compiti in classe per falsare i risultati. Invece una serie prova finale uguale per tutti porterebbe finalmente a effettuare confronti tra scuole che abbiano un senso.

Michela Tartaglia ha detto...

Teresa, sa qual è il problema vero? L'affidabilità dei docenti. Qualunque prova-veda INVALSI- stuzzicano alcuni docenti a mettersi alla prova, falsando pesantemente i risultati. Vale sempre l'adagio:"Chi controlla i controllori"? E' qui il gap

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Insomma, non se ne esce? Eppure ci deve essere un sistema per minimizzare - non dico eliminare - i proble mi alla radice ...

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